Perhaps no educational movement in recent history has generated as much ideological argument as has outcome-based education (OBE). Much has been written about the subject, and it is not the purpose of this interview to add to the debate by either promoting or denigrating the movement. For reasons that may never be entirely understood, the OBE movement became identified as the embodiment of anti-Christian, anti-fundamentalist, and anti-family values in education. Many of the protest rallies were held in churches, and the primary opponents were part of what is often referred to as the “Christian right.” Part of the fallout from this national experience has been to contribute to the advancement of two recent national trends: (1) a dramatic increase in the establishment of private Christian schools and (2) an equally dramatic increase in the number of children being home-schooled. To say that OBE has had an impact on Christian education is certainly an understatement. It is the purpose of this interview to explore what-if any-ideology influenced the OBE movement, which became so emotionally entwined with Christian educational issues. By accident or providence, I was an administrator in the Pennsylvania Department of Education in the early 1990s when leaders in the State Department of Education decided to develop the future of public education in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania around OBE principles. I was part of the planning and implementation team charged to accomplish this goal. What happened in Pennsylvania was an experience in social psychology and sociopolitical reality that I will never forget. Suddenly, all of us in leadership positions at the department of education found ourselves branded as secular humanists who were set on destroying American family values. In fact, most of us were devout Christians, and several of us were practicing ministers in fundamentalist churches. During the Pennsylvania experience, it was my pleasure to be closely associated with Dr. William Spady, who, by that time, had become the national leader of the OBE movement. When I asked Dr. Spady if he would agree to be interviewed for the Journal Of Research on Christian Education, he readily agreed to discuss what ideology, if any, existed behind the OBE movement. Our discussion follows.