A Republic of the ImaginationIn Conversation with Azar Nafisi Daniel Simon (bio) and Azar Nafisi (bio) Click for larger view View full resolution [End Page 31] Click for larger view View full resolution PHOTO BY YOUSEF AL-ABDULLAH Fiction, storytelling, is the bearer, the carrier of empathy. Click for larger view View full resolution With her latest book of essays, Read Dangerously: The Subversive Power of Literature in Troubled Times (2022), Iranian American writer Azar Nafisi offers a "resistance reading list" that the Washington Post hails as offering "a new canon for the tyrannies of the present and the dystopian possibilities of the future." Over Zoom, we discussed the power of storytelling embodied by Scheherazade and Alice in Wonderland; the intergenerational threads that connect readers; and the role of writers and readers in preserving memory and defending truth. [End Page 32] Daniel Simon: We're talking today about your newest book, Read Dangerously, which I really love—thank you so much for writing it. I think it's a perfect fit for the theme of our May issue, which is called "The Future of the Book." And it's an opportune moment to speak with you about your own passion for reading, writing, and books and how they've played such a large part in your life. In the epistolary genre consisting of letters to "Baba," your late father, you write beautifully in Read Dangerously about the intergenerational thread that connects teachers and readers, such as your parents, Nezhat and Ahmad, to your own children and now your grandchildren; Professor James Yoch here at the University of Oklahoma and your student Razieh in Tehran; even your own reading of writers from Plato to James Baldwin, Toni Morrison, and Margaret Atwood during the 1970s and then again more recently as you are composing these letters. If a student in Norman or Tehran were to ask you what it means to read dangerously in 2023, what would you tell them? Azar Nafisi: Well, this book is partly a response to the trend I had noticed, especially in the US, where we use books as comfort food. We read them not in order to be disturbed or find something new, but we read them in order for them to confirm what we already know, at times to confirm our prejudices: "Why don't they speak what I want them to?" So, there's no challenge—we're uncomfortable with challenge. We want to eliminate rather than create an exchange. And so, for me, reading dangerously means that we take that risk to read in order to be disturbed. As James Baldwin says, artists are here to disturb the peace. Writers are not here to warm the cockles of your heart. For me, the best example of a good reader or a reader who takes risks is Alice in Wonderland. Out of millions of little girls, there's this one little girl who is bored with the routine of her life, and she's after something different. What makes Alice so exceptional is the fact that she has what Nabokov calls the third eye of the imagination. She sees not just reality in terms of appearances, but she also sees beyond reality, the magic of reality. And she sees not only a white rabbit but a white rabbit who talks and wears a waistcoat and a watch. She runs after that white rabbit, not saying, like some of our readers, that this is not how rabbits act. She risks going into the world of the white rabbit. And when she jumps into that hole, she doesn't say, Am I going to survive this? What's going to happen to me next? And her reward, of course, is the world—everything, every creature in that world, has a sign of being in her real life, but she's now seeing them in a new light. Her vision of reality is changing as she goes from one person to another. The last thing that I want to say about Alice, which I think is really important, is that like all good stories, it challenges and questions, not just the world outside but the reader...