In Response Li et al.1 highlighted the inconsistency in Ramsay scores (RSs) of 8 patients in our study in relation to their sedation state (sedated or conscious sedated).2 This inconsistency was caused by normal changes in sedation levels in critically ill patients, which may fluctuate frequently during the day as Li et al. also stated. The RSs were rated in the morning (between 7:30 and 8:00 AM), whereas the pain assessments were completed between 8:00 AM and 12:00 noon. Thus, patients who are sedated at 8:00 AM can be fully awake at the time of pain assessment later in the morning, and vice versa. Therefore, in our study, the ability of patients to respond at the time of pain assessment was used for the classification of the patients instead of the RS at 8:00 AM, resulting in differences in the classification of 8 patients. Li et al. also questioned the reliability of the verbal rating scale (VRS-4) in patients who are conscious sedated. In our study, we sought to evaluate the use of the behavioral pain scale (BPS) in conscious sedated patients compared with deeply sedated patients, for whom the BPS was developed. BPS scores during painful procedures were significantly higher than those at rest in both sedated patients and conscious sedated patients. Furthermore, the internal consistency was comparable for observations in both groups, demonstrating similar homogeneity of the items. Therefore, it would seem that the BPS can detect and discriminate pain and is a valid measure of pain in both sedated and conscious sedated patients. However, we know from the literature that pain is often underestimated, when rated by the nurse.3 Furthermore, in a recent study,4 a combination of pain instruments was recommended when credibility of self-reporting is doubted. Observational measures such as the BPS capture behavior that is less subject to voluntary control and more automatic. Self-reporting also yields unique information, and primarily reflects expressive pain behavior that is under control of higher mental processes. We therefore also asked to score the pain by the patients using the VRS-4 and studied the correlation between the BPS and VRS-4. In this analysis, we observed a strong correlation between the BPS and VRS-4, thus implying that the patient's VRS-4 is of added value. Because the BPS may underrate or overrate patients' pain, we believe the BPS should be used in conjunction with the VRS-4, making the pain measurement as ideal as possible. Sabine Ahlers, Msc Department of Clinical Pharmacy St. Antonius Hospital Nieuwegein, The Netherlands [email protected] Catherijne Knibbe, PharmD, PhD Department of Clinical Pharmacy St. Antonius Hospital Nieuwegein, The Netherlands Division of Pharmacology Leiden/Amsterdam, The Netherlands Centre for Drug Research Leiden University Leiden, The Netherlands