This is a podcast version of the closing panel discussion at The 18th Munin Conference on Scholarly Publishing (Tromsø, Norway, 8–10 November 2023). The main theme of the conference was scholarly communication in its myriad of forms. The push for a reform of research assessment argues for precisely the need to recognize and reward a wider set of research activities and competencies, not least in order to ensure that science – and scientics – remain in close contact with society. The demands for change will surely impact how and where research is disseminated and communicated. A key question then is how to evaluate research activities and outputs beyond academic publications. The panelists reflected on questions such as: how do we measure the impact of citizen science, or document quality in innovative research practices and scholarly outputs? And how to ensure consensus on assessment methods for a wider and more inclusive range of research activities within a diverse academic landscape? The panel consisted of champions of research assessment reform (Yensi Flores Bueso, University of Washington / University College Cork; Kirstie Whitaker, The Alan Turing Institute) and university leaders (Hervé Dole, vice-president for arts, culture and society at Université Paris-Saclay; Jan-Gunnar Winther, pro-rector for research and development, UiT). Questions were prepared by Tanja Larssen (open science adviser, UiT) in collaboration with Per Pippin Aspaas (head of library research and publishing support, UiT), who chaired the panel on the day. First published as a podcast: December 19, 2023. A video recording of the same session – with metadata providing more detailed information on each panelist – can be found at https://doi.org/10.7557/5.7276.