As caesarean sections became safer, it was assumed that surgery would improve survival for babies at the limits of viability, however, evidence indicates that this is not the case for otherwise uncomplicated pregnancies. Therefore, taking into account risks for mother and baby associated with surgery and extreme prematurity, there is a general consensus that even if the baby is breech, a vaginal delivery is preferable. I attended such a delivery of a breech preterm at 24 ? 4 weeks gestation. The head could not be delivered for 10 min despite attempts to engage Neville Barnes forceps. Such forceps were never designed for the dimensions of the preterm at the limits of viability, and so I discuss new forceps for specifically this situation. Neonatal survival is inversely proportional to gestational age, and in the range of \5, 30, 50, and 70 % for 22, 23, 24, and 25 weeks, respectively [1]. Failure to sufficiently clear lung fluid in caesarean section exacerbates lung immaturity and surfactant production insufficiency, which already results in respiratory distress syndrome in 86–100 % of 23–25 week neonates [2]. Prolonged exposure to mechanical ventilation increases risk of chronic lung disease, which affects 16–89 % of 23–25 week neonates [3]. Necrotising enterocolitis occurs in *9 % of these neonates and can result in the need for surgery, with 10–40 % mortality [4]. The most feared complication is neurological morbidity, and very low birthweight infants have a 15 % incidence of grade III–IV intraventricular haemorrhage and 6 % incidence for periventricular leukomalacia [5]. Under 25 weeks gestation, 25 % are diagnosed with cerebral palsy [6]. 62, 38, and 31 % of 23, 24, and 25 week neonates, respectively, will develop some form of neurological impairment [7]. For the mother, risk of placenta praevia increases from 0.26 % with an unscarred uterus to 10 % after four or more sections [8]. Risk of placenta accrete (mortality of 7 %) rises from 5 % in cases of placenta praevia with an unscarred uterus to 24 %, if there is placenta praevia with one previous section, and to 67 % with two to three previous sections. Furthermore, the diameter of the uterine lower segment is 0.5, 1.0, and 4.0 cm at 20, 28, and 34 weeks, respectively [9], so in the majority of cases, to safely deliver the extremely premature baby requires a classical caesarean section (vertical incision) associated with 12 % rate of uterine rupture even in the absence of subsequent labour [10]. Therefore, to deliver by caesarean section at these gestations puts the mother’s life at risk and impacts future pregnancies for the theoretical benefit of increasing neonatal survival, but is there any evidence supporting this? Grant et al. [11] performed a meta-analysis of six RCTs comparing mode of delivery for babies from 24 to 36 weeks gestation, and found a significant increase in maternal morbidity, but no significant decrease in neonatal morbidity following surgery; a conclusion supported by observational studies [12, 13]. The general consensus is that caesarean section is not indicated for uncomplicated pregnancies at the limits of viability. For breech vaginal deliveries at this gestation, there is risk of cord prolapse and cervical entrapment of the foetal head [14, 15]. Some studies have reported better mortality figures with caesarean section [16, 17], although others have not [18]. But even if surgery increases immediate survival, this does not change the general maternal and A. Q. T. Ismail (&) Walsall Manor Hospital, Moat Road, Walsall, West Midlands WS2 9PS, UK e-mail: aqt.ismail@bnc.oxon.org