Interpretation and Nihilism as the Depletion of Being: a discussion with Gianni Vattimo about the consequences of Hermeneutics. Sebastian Gurciullo (bio) and Gianni Vattimo 1 Sebastian Gurciullo: What is the significance of the title of your recent book, Oltre l’interpretazione, Beyond Interpretation, what sort of movement is suggested by the “oltre” or “beyond”: where to, to what, and why?[1] Gianni Vattimo: In a sense it is meant to mean something like going beyond the limits of current hermeneutics. I have the impression, as I say in the introduction to Beyond Interpretation, that hermeneutics has become a sort of general attitude. Almost everybody recognizes that we know only by interpreting, even in the theory of paradigms proposed by Thomas Kuhn, for instance. People in the experimental sciences are not scandalized by the idea that we interpret, but this recognition does not apply to the consequences of hermeneutics. As a matter of fact, I wanted to call this book “Consequences of Hermeneutics”, as a play on a title of one of Richard Rorty’s books[2], but this title was already used by my American publishers for a collection of essays of mine so I had to change it.[3] The question is therefore: Is hermeneutics simply a philosophy which theorizes that any knowledge is interpretation or is it something more than this? Now, when I say all knowledge is interpretation, is this still an interpretation or not? This was a question Nietzsche posed to himself some hundred years ago. So probably what I want to mean by “beyond” is the fact of asking myself explicitly, “what kind of a philosophy is hermeneutics?” because it cannot be a metaphysical description of the hermeneutical character or essence of all knowledge, because this knowledge of the hermeneutical essence of knowledge, would itself be an interpretation. So what kind of truth, in other words, can we expect from hermeneutics? Not a truth which claims to be the description of a state of affairs, but something different. And if we follow this line of thinking, in my opinion, we discover that the very truth of hermeneutics as a philosophical theory is tied to a nihilistic philosophy of history. It is only because something has changed in our perception of reality that we can speak reasonably of the interpretive character of knowledge. Consequently I have developed, in an a sense, a hermeneutical noseology, a theory of knowledge or epistemology, that is only possible if we accept an ontological nihilism. There is a history of Being which in a certain moment offers itself in the form of a peremptory objectivity, a strong reality, and then in our time offers or presents itself in the sense of something which is much more vague, much less peremptory, much less authoritarian. 2 SG: In the preface to Beyond Interpretation you observe that your proposal of “il pensiero debole”, or “weak thought”[4] as this expression has been translated into English, has been misunderstood, that it has been “taken in too narrow and literal a sense”. Can you elaborate on what kinds of misconstrual of the meaning of weak thought developed and what your intended meaning was? GV: I have in mind a couple of ways of misinterpreting “il pensiero debole”. First, it was the popularity of this “school” of philosophy, so to speak, in Italy, starting in 1980 and particularly with the publication in 1983 of the collection of essays under the title Il pensiero debole.[5] People immediately interpreted il pensiero debole as a sort of rejection of any rational claim of reason, and in the intellectual climate at the time there was already a sort of mistrust in the claims of scientific rationality. Its the sort of thing that happens in Also sprach Zarathustra, where the animals of Zarathustra believe that the theory of the eternal recurrence is simply the idea that there is no fixed meaning, everything is possible, as a sort of negatively nihilistic interpretation of the death of God: God is dead, everything is possible, everything is permitted, everything is allowed, and so on. So, pensiero debole was interpreted in the 1980s in Italy as a sort of revindication of the pragmatic and also...