Abstract
As part of the twentieth anniversary edition of Surveillance & Society, chief editors Torin Monahan and David Murakami Wood asked two of the founding co-editors, Kirstie Ball and Steve Graham, for the reflections on how the journal was founded, its contribution of surveillance studies, the challenges facing the field, and where they think it is going next. Kirstie and Steve met in Autumn 2022 for the discussion and what follows represents their conversation.
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