For an l-graph $${\user1{\mathcal{G}}}$$, the Turan number $${\text{ex}}{\left( {n,{\user1{\mathcal{G}}}} \right)}$$ is the maximum number of edges in an n-vertex l-graph $${\user1{\mathcal{H}}}$$ containing no copy of $${\user1{\mathcal{G}}}$$. The limit $$\pi {\left( {\user1{\mathcal{G}}} \right)} = \lim _{{n \to \infty }} {\text{ex}}{\left( {n,{\user1{\mathcal{G}}}} \right)}/{\left( {^{n}_{l} } \right)}$$ is known to exist [8]. The Ramsey–Turan density $$p{\left( {\user1{\mathcal{G}}} \right)}$$ is defined similarly to $$\pi {\left( {\user1{\mathcal{G}}} \right)}$$ except that we restrict to only those $${\user1{\mathcal{H}}}$$ with independence number o(n). A result of Erdős and Sos [3] states that $$\pi {\left( {\user1{\mathcal{G}}} \right)} = p{\left( {\user1{\mathcal{G}}} \right)}$$ as long as for every edge E of $${\user1{\mathcal{G}}}$$ there is another edge E′of $${\user1{\mathcal{G}}}$$ for which |E∩E′|≥2. Therefore a natural question is whether there exists $${\user1{\mathcal{G}}}$$ for which $$p{\left( {\user1{\mathcal{G}}} \right)} 2.We prove the existence of a phenomenon similar to supersaturation for Turan problems for hypergraphs. As a consequence, we construct, for each l≥3, infinitely many l-graphs $${\user1{\mathcal{G}}}$$ for which $$0 < \ifmmode\expandafter\tilde\else\expandafter\~\fi{p}{\left( {\user1{\mathcal{G}}} \right)} < \pi {\left( {\user1{\mathcal{G}}} \right)}$$.We also prove that the 3-graph $${\user1{\mathcal{G}}}$$ with triples 12a, 12b, 12c, 13a, 13b, 13c, 23a, 23b, 23c, abc, satisfies $$0 < p{\left( {\user1{\mathcal{G}}} \right)} < \pi {\left( {\user1{\mathcal{G}}} \right)}$$. The existence of a hypergraph $${\user1{\mathcal{H}}}$$ satisfying $$0 < p{\left( {\user1{\mathcal{H}}} \right)} < \pi {\left( {\user1{\mathcal{H}}} \right)}$$ was conjectured by Erdős and Sos [3], proved by Frankl and Rodl [6], and later by Sidorenko [14]. Our short proof is based on different ideas and is simpler than these earlier proofs.
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